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The third source I checked was Michel Langlois in both the Carignan Soldier book and his Dictionnaire. He stated that Jean Magnan was from Veyde, archbishopric of Bourges in Berry [7]. There is no such place.

I finally went to Tanguay, not a source I normally consult because of many inaccuracies. However, Tanguay was one source that remained true to what was stated in the marriage act. Jean Magnan was from Hedin, bishopric of Bourges in Berry [8]. There is no town or parish of Hedin in Cher. There is a town of Hêdin or Hesdin in the department of Pas-de-Calais. I also attempted to search those available records but again found no Magnans or Amiots. I did look at the available records for St-Amand-Montrond which did have early records. Again no Magnans or Amiots.

At this point, I started to “google” for anything that might be relevant. I found the following site: www.map-france.com/department-Cher/. Pictures, maps, and, most important of all, the names of all the existing towns in the modern department of Cher. I looked at the list and no town even ressembling Hedin could be found. I used my imagination. I looked at all the churches listed for Bourges and found a Saint-Ursin. I tried that and again no Magnans or Amiots.

Another site that has sometimes helped in locating a department for a surname is www.geopatronyme.com I did put in the name of Magnan and found two towns in Cher that had families with the surname between 1891 and 1915: Oizon and Mehun-sur-Yèvre. I also put in Amiot and found many towns for that surname between 1819-1915, including Bourges, Saint-Amant-Montrond, Vesdun and Dun-sur-Arun. (This site is free.)

A second site that has been some help in past research is www.genealogie.com, a site for which you have to pay. By putting in the name of Magnan, the years 1600-1665, and l’état civil, it was indicated that there were some Magnans in the following towns: Argent-sur-Sauldre, Clémont, Genouilly and Massny. For the name of Amiot, the following towns appeared: St-Amand-Montrond, Beddes, Graçay, Aubigny-sur-Nère, Herry, Sidiailles, Brinon-sur-Sauldre, Barlieu, Thauvenay, Bourges (St –Pierre-le-Marché), and Arcomps. St-Amand-Montrond, Sidiailles and Bourges were also on the list from geopatronyme for 1891-1915.

Last of all, I checked the marriage contract by notaire Bénigne Basset dit Deslauriers, dated 9 March 1672.  This contract contained the information that Jean Magnan was the son of the deceased Pierre Magnan, a laborer, and Denise Amiot from the parish of Veyde diocese of Bourges en Berry (see the insert below) [9]. 

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To date, I have found, based on sources that are somewhat reliable, four possible places for the birth/baptism of Jean Magnan dit Lespérance:

  1. Hedin – church marriage record, PRDH marriage record, and Tanguay;
  2. Dun-sur-Arun – Jetté;
  3. Vesdun – PRDH;
  4. Veyde – Langlois and marriage contract.

Based on the sounding out of the name, it is very likely that Vesdun could be the place of origin. There is no proof for this statement.

I also thought it might be good to check who else was in the Company of La Varenne to see if this would help in better identifying the place of origin for Jean Magnan dit Lespérance. The list below is from Langlois Carignan, p. 183 [10]. I have added the “places of origin” and the sources. Based on the material below, it is evident that in one way or another the men were, for the most part, from the departments of Cher and Allier. See the map at the end for a more concrete concept of the places of origin claimed by the soldiers in La Varenne Company.

Captain: Roger Bonneau de la Varenne – baptized 11 January 1636 in Cérilly in Bourbonnais, (department of Allier) [Langlois Carignan, p. 237].

Lieuntenant: Robert Des Granges [Langlois Carignan, p. 297].

Antoine Barrois,* surgeon –

  1. circa 1641, St-Nicolas-du-Château, city and archbisophric of Bourges, Berry (arrondissement, Bourges, Cher) [PRDH Individual #7518 (based on marriage act)];
  2. circa 1640, St. Vincent, Chantelle in Allier [Fichierorigine #430033, researched by Jean Marie Germe, accessed 27 October 2014 (Other siblings were baptized there between 1632 and 1643.)].

Detroit and Kaskaskia Connection: (1) son Philippe Barrois was buried 19 February 1722 in Kaskaskia [Jetté, p. 53]; (2) Wife Anne Leber married Jean Baptiste Lotman dit Albrin circa 1689 in Nouvelle-Hollande. Their son Jean Baptiste Lootman married Marie Madeleine Cardinal, daughter of Jacques Cardinal and Louise Arrivé, 30 March 1717, in Montréal, and François Lootman married Marie Anne Sauvage, daughter of Jacques Sauvage and Marie Catherine Jean dite Vien, 31 May 1717, in Montréal [Jetté, p. 744]. The family of Jean Baptiste Lootman moved to Kaskaskia and was known by the surname of Barrois [Marthe Faribault- Beauregard, La population des forts français d’Amérique (XVIIIe siècle) Tome II (Montréal:Éditions Bergeron, 1984).  The family of François Lootman moved to Détroit and were known by the surname of Lotteman (sic) dit Barrois and finally just Barois/Barrois.  Royal Notary Robert Navarre married Marie Barrois 10 February 1734; Pierre Chesne dit Labutte married Louise Barois 2 January 1736; Jean Baptiste Cuillerier dit Beaubien married Marie Anne Barrois 20 January 1742; Pierre Laurent St. Cosme married Catherine Barrois 25 January 1747; François Barois married Catherine Cécire 9 January 1758; Jean Baptiste Réaume married Agathe Barois 11 December 1763 [Sharon Kelley, ed., Marriage Records Ste. Anne Church Detroit 1701-1850 (Detroit:Detroit Society for Genealogical Research, Inc., 2001)].

Jean Beaune dit Lafranchise* –

  1. St-Claude de Bellenaves diocese of Bourges [marriage act 1667];
  2. St-Claude de Bellenaves, archbishopric of Bourges, Bourbonnais (arrondissement of Montluçon, Allier) [PRDH Individual #6959]. [I did search online in the department of Allier in the town of Bellenaves and found no Beaunes or any variation of that name.]

Connection to Detroit: Son Albert Bosne (Beaune) Lafranchise was hired 28 July 1704 to go to Détroit. Étienne Bosne (probably son Antoine François) was hired at the same time. Daughter Marie Anne Beaune was hired 18 April 1707 as a servant to the Cadillacs; she married Martin Cirier dit Argenteuil 12 June 1710 in Détroit [Jetté, pp. 257, 744].

Charles de Boussiny Montéro – Bourges [Langlois Carignan, p. 242].

Champagne*

Antoine Chaudillon* [11] – started out in the Company of LaVarenne and then was put in the Company of Saurel.

  1. parish of St-Martin, Ygrande, archbishopric of Bourges, Bourbonnais (arrondissement of Moulins, Allier) [PRDH Individual #13259];
  2. Baptism 16 July 1641, St-Martin, Ygrande, Allier [Fichierorigine #430013, researched by Marie Gagné, accessed 27 October 2014, numerisé].

Detroit Connection: daughter Marie Louise Chaudillon married Jean Baptiste Gouriou dit Guignolet, a sergeant in the Company of Blainville, 2 June 1701, Lachine. The couple was in Détroit by 26 April 1708 when their son Antoine was baptized in the church of Fort Pontchartrain [Jetté, p. 521]. Daughter Charlotte Chaudillon married Jean Barthe dit Belleville et Larivière, a soldier, 8 July 1707, Varennes. The family was in Détroit by 24 October 1709 when their daughter Marie Charlotte was baptized in the church of Fort Pontchartrain [Jetté, p. 53].

Jacques Demoulin*

Charles DesMaignoux, sieur de Laleu – bishopric of Bourges en Berry [Langlois Carignan, p. 298].

Jean Duceau dit Baron* – Cenneville en Bourbonnais [Langlois Carignan, p. 306]. No town with this name can be found.

Claude Duparc, killed in 1666 by the Iroquois [Langlois Carignan, p. 316].

Jean Fagueret dit Petitbois* [Langlois Carignan, p. 325].

Mathieu Faye dit Lafayette* – St-Jean-d’Aubrigoux, arrondissement of LePuy, bishopric of Clermont, Auvergne, department of Haute-Loire [Jetté, p. 415].

Detroit connection: daughter Élisabeth Faye married Pierre Cosme/Côme dit Saint-Cosme [and dit Lajeunesse] 22 November 1717 in Laprairie [Jetté, p. 272]. Pierre Come dit Lajeunesse bought a house on rue St. Joachim in Fort Pontchartrain from Jean Ferland dit Deloriers on 22 March 1709. Their son Pierre Laurent St. Cosme married Catherine Barrois 25 January 1747 in Détroit [see above under Antoine Barrois].

Jean Fouché – Jemausac en Saintonge [Langlois Carignan, p. 338].

Gabriel Fournier dit Laverdure* [Langlois Carignan, p. 339].

Claude Galoppe, surgeon [Langlois Carignan, p. 342].

Gilbert Genin dit Lamontagne* – diocese of Bourges en Berry [Langlois Carignan, p. 349]. [www.genealogie.com ( a paid site) – act of birth, Sancoins, Cher, 8 January 1643, Gilbert Genin, son of Philippe Genin and Catherine Despilliers. Act #106700046796113178, from the Cercle Généalogique du Haut-Berry. The parish registers are not available online from the departmental archives of Cher to verify this act.]

Antoine Juchereau dit Sallebrune* – parish of St-Etienne, Bourges en Berry (Cher) [Langlois Carignan, p. 370].

Lafontaine [Langlois Carignan, p. 373].

Laforest [Langlois Carignan, p. 374].

Levau, killed in 1666 by the Iroquois [Langlois Carignan, p. 386].

Antoine Legros dit Laviolette* –

  1. St-François-de-Bourbon-les-Bains, bishopric of Bourges en Berry [Langlois Carignan, p. 390];
  2. parish of St-François, city of Bourbon-les-Bains, archbishopric of Bourges [marriage act in Québec 9 September 1670];
  3. St-François-de-Bourbonne-les-Bains, arrondissement and bishopric of Langres, Champagne, department of Haute-Marne [Jetté, p. 531];
  4. St-François, city of Bourbon (today Bourbon-l’Archambault), bishopric of Bourges, Bourbonnais (arrondissement of Moulins, Allier) [PRDH Individual #32261]. Neither Bourbon-l’Archambault nor Bourbonne-les-Bains has a parish of St-François. On searching the parish of Bourbon-l’Archambault, Allier, online for the years 1639-1640 no Gros/Legros families were found. The parish records for Bourbonne-les-Bains, Haute-Marne, do not go back as far as 1640. Thus, to date, it is not possible to determine the orgin of Antoine Gros/Legros dit Laviolette.

Detroit Connection: Son Nicolas Gros/Legros was hired to go to Détroit 5 May 1705 [Jetté, p. 531]; On 6 September 1708, son Jean Baptiste Gros/Legros dit Laviolette was hired by Barbe Loisel, wife of Louis Le Gantier, sieur de LaVallée et de Rané, to go to Fort Pontchartrain [Antoine Adhémar, FHL microfilm #1613461, image #00595].

Jean Magnan dit Lespérance* the subject of this paper.

Detroit Connection: On 9 October 1700, his widow Marie Moitié married Pierre Chesne dit Saint- Onge who received land in Détroit in 1707. His daughter Louise Magnan married Jean Baptiste Giguière who was hired to go to Détroit on 27 June 1701 [Jetté, p. 496]. Son Jean Antoine Magnan dit Lespérance was hired 26 September 1702 to go to Détroit [Jetté, p. 751]. He married Louise Lecomte 19 March 1718 in Montréal. Their daughter Marie Anne Magnan married François Marie Picoté de Belestre, 29 January 1753, in Montréal [PRDH Union #12798]. François Marie Picoté de Belestre was the last French commandant of Détroit. [12]

Louis Marie dit Sainte-Marie* – St-Symphorien, city and archbishopric of Tours, Touraine, department of Indre-et-Loire [Langlois Carignan, p. 404, Jetté, p. 770; PRDH Individual #53939].

Detroit connection: Son François Marie dit Sainte-Marie was hired 30 May 1705 to go to Détroit [Jetté, p. 770].

Jean Morieau dit Jolicoeur* [Langlois Carignan, p. 418].

Antoine Pigean [Langlois Carignan, p. 436].

François Poisson – Neuvy en Nievernois [Langlois Carignan, p. 439].

Guillaume Richard dit Lafleur* – St-Léger, bishopric of Saintes en Saintonge, department of Charente- Maritime [Langlois Carignan, p. 452; PRDH Individual #65561]. [The parish registers begin mid- 1642.]

Detroit Connection: Son Pierre Richard was hired to go to Détroit in the first convoy that arrived 24 July 1701. Son Guillaume Richard was hired to go to Détroit on 16 July 1702 [Jetté, p. 982]. Son Jean Richard was in Détroit by 10 March 1707 when he received a site of land within Fort Pontchartain. On 9 April 1707 son Claude Richard was given permission to go to Fort Pontchrain to transport merchandise to Étienne Veniard de Bourgmont and to also help his brother Jean Richard who had been wounded there [Antoine Adhémar, FHL microfilm #1613460, image #02234].

Pierre Rivière dit Larivière* – Les Sables-d’Olonne, bishopric of Luçon in Poitou, department of Vendée [Langlois Carignan, p. 453; PRDH Individual #68052].

Gilbert Roux, cadet [Langlois Carignan, p. 457].

Saint-Denis de Besne [Langlois Carignan, p. 460].

François Saluer de Montlieu [Langlois Carignan, p. 465].

Charles Taillandier, sieur de La Brosse – Varigny en Nivernais [Langlois Carignan, p. 477].

 

Map 1

Source: www.bonjourlafrance.com

 

Map 2

Source: www.lexilogos.com/bourbonnais.htm Click on Carte du department de l’Allier.

 

Map 3

Source: www.cartes-2-france.com Vesdun is slightly to the right and down from Culan, bottom of map.

 

Map 4

Source: www.amivac.com

Thank you so very much, Gail! This is both a guide and an inspiration.

©2015 Anne Morddel

French Genealogy

 

 

Notes

[7] Langlois Carignan, 401; Langlois Dictionnaire, 336.

[8] Tanguay, 402.

[9] Family History Library, notary Bénigne Basset, microfilm #1419845.

[10] PRDH List of immigrants #402524 for the members of the Company of Varenne, Regiment of Carignan.  Not all of the names, as indicated in Langlois Carignan, 183, are enumerated on this list.  The only individual identified with a surname, not a dit name, is Barrois.  An asterisk after the names above and on the next page indicates they were also on the PRDH list.

[11] Also, enumerated on the Saurel list, PRDH List of Immigrants #402526.

[12] http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/picote_de_belestre_francois_marie_4E.html Article by Pierre Tousignan and Madeleine Dionne Tousignant, accessed 2 November 2014.

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